Interview Transcription Rocío García and Gabriela Valle
Valle: Hi I’m Gabriela Valle, I go by Gaby, and I am 47. Today’s date is October 24th 2015. We are, um, talking today at the offices of California Latinas for Reproductive Justice. We are in Los Angeles and I am interviewing my friend Rocío who also happens to be our Intern.
García: My name is Rocío García. I am thirty years old. Today’s date is October 24th, 2015. We are in the California Latinas for Reproductive Justice office in Los Angeles and I am here with my friend Gaby who I work with at CLRJ.
Valle: Yay! [Laughter] So we are going to get started and I think what we are going to do today is dialogue about reproductive justice. Um, we are in, we often say that we feel lucky to be doing work that, um, really reflects who we are as people and what we value and whether we get paid to do it or in your case interning, but you know we get to do this as part of our everyday life. And there is a broader audience who, you know, isn’t as informed about the work we are doing so we wanted to talk about that a little bit today with CLRJ’s work. We think about reproductive justice as a way of looking at someone as a whole person and that all parts of their identity matter and they all influence the decisions and choices we get to make around our reproductive lives. Whether it’s family formation or even if we’re going to have a family and what gets us to the places that we are. Um, so let’s jump right in Rocío. I wanted to maybe first ask um, what brought you to- what you know you’re a young woman; you’re an activist, what brought you to reproductive justice work?
García: Yea, great question, um, so I grew up in the Central Valley of California, specifically I was born in Merced and I lived in a couple small towns adjacent to Merced and I think for me when I was in College I would learn about Social justice issues and causes but it was always framed around the problem but never about a solution or anything, like, to know what’s going on outside of academia with that so I always had this interest in learning, like, well what do we do? I would get so angry when I would hear about these problems and especially when I started learning about linking the local to the global and feeling so angry but its like what do I do with this? So when I moved to LA for grad school I heard, I actually heard you on the radio. I was driving home one afternoon, I had been doing research all day and I was listening, I think to KPFK or something like that, and I was listening to you talk about an undocumented Latina in LA who I believe she was on her way to a women’s clinic. And it was her first ever um, pap smear that she was ever going to get and I mean I had never thought about the role of immigration in reproduction honestly. When I would think of reproduction to me it just signaled like abortion and birth control and things like that and to hear you describe how um, law enforcement was waiting for her in the parking lot of the clinic because the clinic had notified them that she was undocumented and that really struck me the way that you talked about that and linking the importance of immigration and race and gender when we’re talking about reproduction and at the end you said, you know, this is reproductive justice. And when I heard that I was like “I don’t know what that is but I want to know that”. I had never heard that. So immediately when I got home I looked up- I remembered the name of the org and I looked up the org and I started to read about it. And I was like, this is amazing and I wanted to know more
about this and the fact that so many of the issues that CLRJ works with resonated so much with me from where I come from um, that I just knew I really wanted to get involved and especially for example, thinking about the fact that my mom when she came to the US she was undocumented and the fact that she had to use a fake social security number for example when she went to the hospital to give birth to me and I had never- I knew she was undocumented when she came here and I knew she was undocumented when she gave birth to me but I had never made that connection with what it feels like to actually have to give a fake social security number in that situation and the anxiety that creates when you should just be focusing on your baby and like your family and things like that. So um, a few years ago when I was in college we had to go back to the same hospital. It was the first time since I had been born so it had been maybe 25, 26 years since we had been to that hospital and she needed to have surgery to have her thyroid removed. And the day before the surgery we had to go in to speak to an administrator to talk about filling out paperwork and I’m translating for her because she doesn’t speak English and the woman asked her at one point if the social security number that was on the paper from 25 years before if everything was still in order and she shows them and immediately my mom’s eyes started to water and I could see her chest like her breathing was getting heavier and she’s starting to cry and I whispered to her “what’s wrong”, and she’s like, “ I had to give a fake social security number when I came here the last time and now I have a real one but I’m afraid to tell her because I don’t know is she’s going to get me deported or something. It was just that moment, of just really reflecting like, wow. Like, How easy it is for a lot of us especially when we don’t go through that experience to just take for granted what it means to just give birth, right. And when you see it in the media its usually just framed in a lot of ways as this happy event and its always so exciting and I mean it is but its like you forget for communities who don’t have access to make whatever choice they’re going to make about their reproductive freedom or having the autonomy to just form their families in safe and healthy conditions and the role of what borders does to our reproductive freedoms and its just like I think that’s what really speaks to me about reproductive justice that its like why don’t we hear these stories and why don’t we hear about what race does, what sexuality does, what migration does, to our um, reproductive freedoms to our community well being . And I think that’s what really resonates with me with reproductive justice that there’s finally a movement that tells me I’m more than just my gender and that I’m more than just saying that because we’re all women that we should just unify together but keeping in mind that yes, we should come together but keeping in mind that we should also be coming together based on our differences and not just trying to wash away those differences to create this like one idea of what women experience and its not the same, right. And what women are going through, especially Latinas in the Central Valley, it’s like a lot of people don’t think about that when they think about reproductive justice. They don’t think about undocumented Latinas who are working in factories for ten, twelve hours a day, six, seven days a week, about the wage, about the sexual harassment. We don’t often hear about those stories tied to reproduction or tied to the well being of entire communities, right. And I think that’s just what I really love and I’m so grateful for RJ to finally have a movement that tells me that I am a whole person and all of me matters and all of me needs to be acknowledged when we’re talking about our communities as we move forward.
Valle: Thank you for that. And I think there’s something very particular. Like, you were starting to bring up about you know being- in your case being from the Central Valley um, CLRJ we turn ten years old this year, um we’ve been doing work physically out in the community for about nine of those years. Um, I myself have had the opportunity to do trainings in the central valley and to work with a couple of local organizations um, and the role we always play is to support, because if I am not from the Central Valley my role should to be there to support. And its one thing for me in this role to hear stories of, you know, lack of access to health and to health care and to opportunities. And how real it is when a woman is in, you know deep in the Central Valley in an area where there is no clinic there is no hospital access. So everything from- if she has chosen to keep her pregnancy needing prenatal care is hugely important. And yet what we see like, statistically in our community is that, you know, immigrant women are less likely to seek care, to get care I should say. And often I think it’s pointed at the issues that you just brought up. It’s really ob-you know it would be really easy for someone to judge that woman for not getting prenatal care without thinking of the realities that she may not have money, certainly not health insurance or access and even if she had some of that what does it look like when you’re in a community when there aren’t enough physical clinics and hospitals and ability to access that care. And when we’ve done our work, we’ve often used those- highlighted those stories that we hear and repeat them back to folks who live in bigger cities who don’t have to think about that possibly. But, can you expand on that a bit. I know for me I grew up in the valley first and later in southeast LA. Our lack of access to healthcare often was because we wouldn’t- we would go long periods without having health insurance. So often times in our community we deal with different reasons why were lacking access, but I think there’s something really specific about the Central Valley. Can you expand on that a little bit and as you think about experiences your family had to go through or even friends in your community?
García: Yea, definitely. I mean you’ve already touched on some of it in terms of access that we, the importance of really expanding what we mean by access and in the Central Valley, definitely, there are not enough clinics or enough Planned Parenthood’s and the ones that are there are really under resourced, are really spread out geographically. I mean the transportation system in LA is not perfect by any means but at least there is something in place to somewhat facilitate movement for folks who don’t have access to a car, for example, to make it through. But in the Central Valley, there might be a bus that takes you locally from your block to the grocery store, for example, but there is nothing like systematically in place to help, whether it’s young people or just folks of any age that don’t have access to transportation. That becomes really an issue. I think it’s important to also keep in mind that, I think especially for people outside of California when they think about California they generalize and assume that all of California has just a very liberal vibe going on and I think LA gets used a lot to generalize about the whole state that the vibe of LA is the vibe of all of California and that’s not the case and people often forget the role that religion and conservative politics in Central Valley really play that there- the politics especially around any reproductive issues are very similar to what you would think in the south in the US it’s incredibly conservative and stigmatizing. And just seeing- when I was in the Central Valley very recently at a Planned Parenthood in Fresno there were actually people picketing outside of the clinic and you can see how much that deters also and when you talk to young people and young Latinas there that when they get branded
murderers- regardless of what you’re going in there for, I mean abortion is just one of the many things Planned Parenthood does, but the role that conservative ideology plays in preventing young women or just Latinas in general from accessing those services I think is really important to keep in mind. A lot of people outside of the Central Valley don’t usually think of it in terms of a food dessert. I think that’s really important to keep in mind because its very agricultural the area. And the food that gets produced there is feeding definitely most of California but also major parts of the nation. The workers there, the immigrant workers that are there in the fields and in the factories, they are feeding the nation and people don’t think of the fact that often times they don’t even have the food, especially quality food or money to feed their own families. And yet they’re feeding families across the country and I don’t think people think about that when they’re thinking about reproduction and well being and what are the necessary conditions for a community to have well being. And I would also consider the specific area where I’m from to also be in a lot of ways like an activist dessert I would describe it. You do see a little bit more movement in the bigger cities in the Central Valley like the Fresno, Bakersfield, Visalia, but where I’m from, which is still hours up north from there there’s- its not uncommon to have young people believe that there is no activism going on at all anywhere. That was definitely the case for me. Its literally, you’re living in a bubble. And in a bubble where you’re seeing billboards of Latinas crying and saying if abortion is so right why does it feel so wrong. That is what is constantly surrounding us but you don’t often get the balance of hearing folks from the community that are actually fighting for social justice and getting that, you know, alternative perspective. So it’s really easy to just think that this is all that there is. And there is definitely that vibe I think for a lot of us in the Central Valley if you don’t even know what to look for, what to ask for, how are you even going to make real change in your community. So that’s why I think I really, really appreciate CLRJ as a statewide organization that yes, CLRJ is based in LA, but still doing targeted things to make sure that the stories of other people throughout California and the Central Valley, especially, are getting heard and getting the word out about what it means to mobilize together around these issues.
Valle: I want to appreciate that you brought up the idea around, you know, in California we are not one homogenous community. We often say we have pockets, yes, you know, and it’s probably unfortunate for folks who live in the south who are activists who are trying to change their own communities that that’s who we use as an example to highlight the conservatism that we do have in our state. Whether it’s the Central Valley, deep San Diego County, the Inland Valley, we have plenty of pockets in California for sure where politics aren’t as open to supporting a number of issues around sexuality around women’s reproductive autonomy. We definitely have a lot of work to do. And at this time, you know, this fall of 2015, where you know, anyone listening to this will be able to go back and just see what’s going on politically and the fact that when there’s an attack on one set of health clinics, in this case very specifically like Planned Parenthood, those attacks aren’t just about that one organization they actually trickle out and really can negatively impact a lot of us doing reproductive work in general. So whether folks are working on rights or to expand health care access, in our case we are not a clinic we don’t do medical services we do want to contribute to the need to have culturally relevant and culturally specific outreach that happens in the context of this work. We also want to make sure that when we are accessing healthcare it is culturally relevant and that it is meeting the needs
that we have. And so I wanted to pick up on something you said and be able to paint a picture that folks might not think of often. But the truth is it doesn’t matter why you went to the clinic, it doesn’t matter what the clinic is right? [Small laugh] But when you show up and you see a line of people outside protesting, you know, basically harassing you and chanting horrible things, and holding up terrible signs, what none of them have thought of because they’re there with this one track mind around preventing women from accessing this one particular health care need that they might have and things that they haven’t thought about that we think about on the every day is that women go to community clinics and hospitals when we don’t have access to any other health care, when we are either uninsured or underinsured, which Latinas in the state of California largely are. We’re both, we’re both underemployed we’re also underinsured and we’re also the most uninsured period [exasperated laugh]. So there is a lot of boxes for us to check. We tend to work in low wage service economy jobs in terms of what we might have access to and all of that has an impact on our ability to take care of ourselves and our family. So that fact that at the point where any clinic in our community is attacked it’s really an attack on all of us. And the biggest irony to me is that, because we know we hear this when we’re out in the community doing, you know, presentations and community education is that women have told us, you know, sometimes their first appointment is to a local Planned Parenthood because they might go there in seek of prenatal care not knowing where else they could go and not really having access to anywhere else. And if anything, not only are we living in a time where we have to work against any thought of defunding any clinic, we have to go the opposite direction as reproductive justice advocates. We have to demand full funding for all services related to our healthcare. Our reproductive healthcare is a really huge part of that. You are in school right now, you are I think finishing up your masters work. Where do you see your work being able to take you when you look at the wide variety of parts of the fight you can be a part of and the struggle for what we need in establishing more rights around increasing access to healthcare, and as not just increasing right? We want the health care we receive to be culturally appropriate and that- the piece around culture is not just race and ethnicity culture. If you are a young person if you are transgender, if you are gender nonconforming, there are so many things that we have to think about now- because often times folks will share, and when you’ve been there with us where folks share stories with us of getting to the doctor and being really uncomfortable because of the way they were treated, something that was said to them, the way they look, the fact that they don’t match a gender box possibly, as you look forward to moving from being an activist to possibly what might be in your trajectory for work, where do you see yourself being able to make an impact on this work?
García: Yea, that’s so interesting because I mean just to be honest, I spent- I lived in the Central Valley until I was 25 and I spent most of those 25 years always thinking of ways to get out. I was always focused on “I want to get out, get out”, and now I got out and I’m in LA for, you know, it’s going to be years that I’m here, and I love it here, but the longer that I’m working in reproductive justice there is a part of me that’s really thinking about the importance of going back to the Central Valley, especially when I see in terms of the impact that RJ organizing can have and how I can see that in LA specifically and just seeing how much that’s really needed in the Central Valley but the kind of organizing that really takes seriously what’s unique about the Central Valley. So I mean for me, long term, being a professor is something I am really
committed to doing and obviously using what I’ve learned through RJ in my teaching but I would also definitely like to have work that I’m doing outside of academia completely in terms of organizing in the Central Valley, whether that’s like another CLRJ chapter or som- I want to help create a space out there for folks who have never heard about RJ, who have no idea what it is but to have spaces outside of academia because I recognize how inaccessible academia can be and just have very community centered spaces to have, to just really inspire other folks to become activists around this. But again really keeping in mind the importance of cultural competency so while I am completely in support of Planned Parenthood and especially everything that is going on there recognizing the shortcomings of Planned Parenthood. So I know for me, when I was 19, for example, I had a pregnancy scare with my first serious boyfriend and I, we were using protection, we were using condoms but the condom broke. So I went to Planned Parenthood to get tested and I remember being terrified sitting there in the living room waiting for what felt like hours and hours waiting for the results. When they finally called me into the room, the woman that was helping me she just sat down, she walks in she sits down with the paperwork, never once looked me in the eye, never made eye contact. The whole time we were meeting she was just looking at her notes, writing things down and she tells me you know that the test came out negative, that I wasn’t pregnant. But she started asking me basically like, why wasn’t I doing what I was supposed to be doing, essentially, she was using words like protection, you know, you can always come here, we have plenty of condoms, you know, and like other things. I told her like, we were using protection, we were using what we thought we were supposed to and it wasn’t enough and just feeling- the confusing feelings that come from recognizing that Planned Parenthood is an org that’s there to help the communities that they are serving, and they did do that but still feeling at the same time, like shame and guilt from the interaction or just the fact that I felt very alone. So like my boyfriend, he didn’t even go with me to Planned Parenthood, and just feeling like this could have been a moment that could have changed my life completely and not being able to talk to my parents, not having my boyfriend there and this woman at that moment, she was all I had in terms of a human connection and wanting some kind of comfort when I’m sitting there literally shaking and the fact that she couldn’t even make eye contact I still remember and feeling like “but you’re supposed to help right?” but also like, especially for me now as I’m getting older, also recognizing that when you have a service like Planned Parenthood that is so underfunded and under resourced and you have the workers there that are taking on way more case loads way more jobs than they should have to, right, that that’s kind of what happens. It’s kind of hard to have those personal connections. So for me it’s really instilling the importance that, yes, obviously prevention is important and like sex education is important but not feeling that if I had been pregnant that that would have been such a horrible thing or that it’d be the end of the world. I think that’s something that’s really needed in the Central Valley that the emphasis for, like, justice for young families and how we think about young families. There are so many young families in the Central Valley and yet even when we talk to young mothers and young fathers out there they’ve internalized this same idea of like the shame. That even orgs that have the best intentions, like Planned Parenthood, they contribute to that. And they might not be intending that, and that’s not to say that Planned Parenthood isn’t important or that they’re not doing amazing work, that they are but the ideology is always centered on what progress means is prevention and I think it’s really important to have that RJ perspective to say that progress
doesn’t always just have to be prevention. That you are allowed to make any choice you are going to make and if that means that you want to have a family at a young age, or maybe you weren’t planning on having a family but that’s what it is that reframing how we think about it. Reframing so that we don’t have kids in high school in the Central Valley that are being pushed out of schools once they’re pregnant because according to the school officials it looks bad on the school to have too many pregnant mothers walking around and that looks bad for them. Or having quote on quote sex education where the teachers literally will pull out a boot that is worn down and say that the boot is basically equivalent to a young woman’s vagina when she’s had too many partners. And the importance of abstinence because if you have too many partners you start to lose the tread and the strength the way you do in a boot. And that the fact that they actually think they are going to call that sex education or that that’s even legal to do that in schools, I think that’s so important to offer that balance in terms of like, of course, yes, from an RJ perspective we value the importance of the right to chose an abortion or preventative services but that we should also be valuing young families and if we actually thought in terms of giving them the resources that any new parents would need in order to form their families that it wouldn’t have to be something that’s considered the end of the world and they shouldn’t have to drop out of school or be pushed out of school for having a family, right. And I think that work is definitely needed especially in that area when you have such a high rate of young families to not let them feel that its just such a horrible thing or that they did something wrong and that they’re now the quote on quote bad kids relative to the kids that stayed in school. I think that’s really important for the Central Valley to have that balance, to say that your families matter too, that your issues are just as important and it shouldn’t just always be focused on prevention or scare tactics or shame, or guilting, so I think that’s definitely something I would love more and more as I think about it the idea if I ever got the chance to get a job in the Central Valley, to go and to teach but also to continue doing activist work outside of academia completely, from an RJ lens, definitely.
Valle: That’s great, and you will, we know you will! We’ll be right there with you. García: [laughter] Yes, definitely.
Valle: I think one of the things you’re pointing to is one of the core differences in the approach of reproductive justice work to what folks might think of as-well its interesting in 2015 to say that reproductive rights is mainstream and yet it is, right. It might not have been in the 70’s but it is now and there has to be recognition of that. And you’ve touched on a number of values that make our approach different in this work. And one of them being, and we often say this in the context of CLRJ’s work, whether we’re having a workshop or having a dialogue with folks in our community is to remind people that somewhere along the way we got stuck on this idea that there’s only one choice. CLRJ would say that we’re “pro choices” and that’s just like a starting ground like that’s actually it doesn’t cover enough ground. What’s important for us is to remind folks that within Latino communities as well as outside that the idea about honoring and holding space around women’s autonomy means that if she’s sixteen and chose to keep this pregnancy you don’t have to like it or agree with her. If you’re going to hold up her autonomy then you’ve simply got to support the fact that that’s one of the many choices that we’re allowed to make.
And that sounds complicated for people, that sounds difficult for others and yet we want to hold- the reality is that if this is her life and her livelihood and she has a chance- a choice to make. Keeping the pregnancy at sixteen is just one of those choices just as much as a woman who is 37 and has three kids and in her case she decides that she can’t keep her fourth pregnancy and she shouldn’t have to explain to anyone why and she doesn’t need any one’s permission. If she needs to terminate her pregnancy she also needs support. And then there’s a broader reality that falls somewhere between those two stories. And earlier today we were exploring some of those issues being that Latinas now are finding themselves, like many other women, particularly poor women and women of color in other communities dealing with issues around problems with fertility or infertility. And yet there’s no space for us to have those conversations because in the mainstream that picture often looks like the story of a white middle class family or a white upper class woman who because of money and access to healthcare and insurance have the ability maybe to resort to invitro and to have other options, which is great. But when you’re a poor woman or you’re a woman of color and you don’t have health insurance and you don’t have 15 to 20 grand or more then those options are limited for you. And so part of what we want to challenge folk’s everyday way of thinking is that for us reproductive justice is really pushing all of us to really think bigger and broader beyond the stereotype or this idea that there’s only one choice to make around family formation and that somehow the only choice you might ever have to make is does she keep the pregnancy or not. That’s one of many possible scenarios. I’ve often been in rooms where I hear people really, dogmatically, putting down young families and for a variety of reasons and one of the things that always strikes me is – when someone looks at a young person who grew up in foster care and they say “oh my god I can’t believe he or she is pregnant, why would he would want to be a parent, he’s 18, he doesn’t have anything” or “why does she want to be a mom, she’s 17 and doesn’t even have her own home, has been in and out of group homes”. And I look at them and I think how did you not hear the answer in what you just said. Why on earth wouldn’t a young person who grew up without family and that security and the safety of having other people around you, why wouldn’t that young person want to become a parent at a young age? Why not? Who’s to say that that won’t be the trigger that helps that young person find their way and find their voice, and find their meaning and build a deeper value for their future. And this is part of reproductive justice for us, right. It’s challenging folk’s every day ideas about what reproduction is and the fact that if we’re going to keep pretending to be a country that pretends to be about family values then we’ve got to change. We’ve got to change the way people think because by doing that then we’re going to be able to change the laws and the policies that we implement. Because all you have to do, you know- if you want to know what a country thinks of its people is you look at the policies in place and it tells you what we think about families. And right now the state of things for us in California, especially for Latinas and poor women and women of color is that it’s really easy to feel sometimes our families don’t matter when we’re not getting support, when we’re not being encouraged to stay in school if we did become pregnant, when women across the board, race, class, and gender, across the board, women and families see themselves lacking childcare. I mean we’ve known this for how long? That childcare, if we’re, when we’re, because we’re going to do this- when we’re able to provide this is one of the pieces, along with access to education, better jobs, employment, allows a family whether it’s a mom and her child and a grandparent, that’s a family. We also want to challenge like, who we accept as a family unit but one of the
things that allows a family to do better is having childcare, having access to healthcare and really working at making all of these things happen together so that we’re all moving forward in that way.
García: And I think that’s just so important. The idea of access that you’re bringing up because, just in tying in with what you’re saying the choice framework is just in my opinion is riddled with capitalist logic because it just assumes that we’re almost like consumers and the choices we make we have complete control over but people in the Central Valley are not choosing to be exposed to pesticides when they’re working in the fields that affects their health, their kids health, their ability to reproduce. They’re not choosing that, they’re not choosing to experience sexual harassment from managers that tell them “well, good luck finding another job when you don’t have papers. If you don’t like it here there are plenty of other women that would be happy to take your job”, you know they’re not choosing this, these are the opportunities, the realities that are available to them and we just really need to stop talking in terms of choice, like just a choice, right, or the fact that, as if we just have complete control over it without taking into consideration all of these factors in society that push communities of color, specifically women of color into realities that are just trying to destroy our communities and we need to expand that and stop blaming the communities themselves for supposedly not making the right choices because it’s like to a certain extent they don’t even really have choices you know, and they’re just trying to survive and they’re doing the best that they can but they need more than this and they deserve more than this. They deserve more than this idea of choice, they deserve more than their struggle, they deserve the opportunity to move beyond survival and think of how they can thrive in the way that we’ve seen the Central Valley over time- I remember as a little girl just seeing so many more fields and so much more lushness and greenness when it was really at its peak in terms of food production. And over time you’ve just seen over the years it’s just been dwindling more for a lot of different reasons and some immigrant communities have started to leave the Central Valley and you’ve just seen it just start to deplete even more over time and that’s just exacerbated so many different inequalities for the people that have stayed there. And we need to hear those stories, we need to hear, we need to make those connections to folks in LA for example, and see those connections to folks in Mexico and Guatemala and folks in Palestine and just to make all of these connections and, yea. I think that’s what really gets me excited about RJ is to really think about the future of the ways that we’re going to continue to make these connections for our communities, for ourselves.
Valle: Absolutely, and moving us towards a reality that sees that the fight to better the living conditions for farm workers is a fight for all of us. Without their labor we wouldn’t have food on our table, period. And it’s not just in California it’s across the whole state and the fact that the men and women and often children, and we need to say it because yes, in 2015 there is child labor and it exists every day and people just turn a blind eye but in our community we don’t get to turn the blind eye because that’s our families we’re talking about, our kids, our cousins, our neighbors. And the work that we all want to do to challenge all of us to step up and to be better and to do better and by ourselves and each other, by supporting a wide variety of choices that women and men need to be able to make for themselves. And at this time what we’re really all of us being challenged by transgender community folks to tell us move beyond binary definitions
for people and really make space for all folks to decide for themselves what their life is going to look like, what family formation might be because we all have the same, we have to fight for us to have the same indelible rights around our health and our wellness and the well being of our families and our communities and that’s really what our work is looking like. And with that I want to thank you Rocío for making time today!
García: And thank you Gaby for just showing me what RJ can do and for giving me this chance today and just talking with me. Thank you so much!
Valle: Showing each other, thank you! Garcia: Yes [laughter]